Walkers & Hikers Group
- NEXT: Just occasionaly, we may have detail of next walk
(free) to the Walkers mail list.
- Help page for the
free automatic mail list subscriber
- Organisers: There's a number of
walks organisers. They have their
Mail List , to optimise dates planning for next month's
programme etc if they want (rather than inefficiently where
every organiser just makes a bid at
a date, & some weeks there was no walk scheduled.
- Join the list & the introductory mail gives more
info, & you'll get future walk announcements. All sort of
walks. Mountain, flat land, sunday, country, fast, slow,
medium, mystery etc.
- Only a few hikes & walks get photoed & web'd
here, just if someone takes a camera & sends pictures to
2004 05 20 herzogstand
2007 02 11 Burning Torch Night Walk
2008 02 24 wolfratshausen schaftlarn
2008 03 30
2008 05 25 Jochberg Walchensee
- 2008 08 03 hoellental
- 2008 10 05
schliersee to tegernsee
- 2008 10 12 Tegernsee
- 2009.07.26 Mountain hike
Schliersee to Tegernsee
- 2009.07.26 Richard brisk
12Km country walk
- 2009.08.08 Bike ride Paul
Julian Ute + ? 12km Olympiaeinkaufszentrum -> Karlsfelder
- 2009.08.16 Richard 12km
- 2009.09.27 Richard 12km
- 2009.09.27 Waltraud's
- 2009.10.04 Mountain Hike
- 2009.10.11 Brisk Walk
- 2009.10.18 Hike,
Herzogstand + Heimgarten with Nigel Herzogstand +
- 2009.11.15 Nigel Fast
- 2009.11.22 Nigel +
Irmgard Fast walk 15km
- 2009.12.13 Nigel +
Irmgard Fast walk 10 km Kirchseeon to Ebersberg.
- 2009.12.26 Xmas Walk
Nordfriedhof -> Park -> Cafe Schwabing. Paul
2009 12 26 Boxing Day walk along River Isar to Pub with
- 2009.12.30 Richard Brisk
- 2010.01.10 [Fast] Walk in
snow Julian (Dieter has a blog here)
- 2010.01.24 Fast walk
- 2010.01.31 Fast Snow Walk
- 2010.02.07 no walk
2010.02.14 Fast walk in the snow Julian led a Snow Walk
starting Grafing Bahnhof, around, through Grafing, on to
2010.02.21 Fast walk. Julian led Starnberg > Andechs >
Herrsching - Approx 21 km, arrived in dark maybe 19:00
The leg to Herrsching was longer than normal, further North
to road as path down to valley was too steep &
- 2010.02.28 Fast walk 20km
Julian Holz Riegel Kreuth -> Schäftlarn ->
- 2010.03.15 Walk Julian
Wesling -> Starnberg
- Sundry other walks not listed.
- 2013-01-20 Herrsching
Andechs Herrsching Snow Walk
- 2013-02-03 Starnberg to
Andechs Snow walk
2013-02-10 Wolfratshausen to
||+ loop S. round escarpment. Snow walk. 16.87 Km,
3h:13m (excluding stops); Average Speed (excluding
stops) 5.2 km/h; Max Speed 6.7 km/h; Total Ascent 102m
(including very steep uphill start !); Total Descent
- 2013-02-24 Haupt-
Bahn- Hof -> Isar -> Aumeister -> Freiheit ~ 13
km. 12:15 > ~ 16:30 Deduct a guessed 1 hour or 1:15 lunch,
so 4 or 4.33 km/ hour. On slippery icy snow paths.
- 2013-03-03 Starnberg to Tutzing,
lots of sun, but lots of icy snow.
GPS Stats From Frank: Distance 12.17 km; Duration
2h:18m:35s; Avg. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed 7.0 km/h; Total
Ascent 99 m; Total Descent 86 m;
2013 03 10 Hechendorf ->
Andechs -> Herrsching
GPS Stats & Pic. From Frank: Distance 14.16 km;
Duration 2h:40m:31s; Avg. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed
7.5 km/h; Total Ascent 188 m; Total Descent 178 m;
- 2013-03-24 Hoell- riegels-
kreuth along Isar to Sendlinger Tor
(branches above water
fall @ Flaucher still covered thick in frozen spray @ ~ 15:30
- A cold winter).
- 2013-03-31 Fröttmaning
U-Bahn - East - past Deutsches Theater - NE - E across A bahn
- Lottlisa- behling-weg - past 4 cone towers (rubbish works
?) - up to Wind turbine & down to same point - more East
on Lottlisa- behling-weg - past mosque (Freimann Moschee) -
South on Freisinger Land str - East into woods of Isar -
South in Isar valley - To - Aumeister lunch - South in
Englischer garten - past Hirschau (closed), Seehaus (open) - Past surfers on
river back of the national art gallery - East to Isar South
along Isar to Fraunhofer Bruecke & U Bahn. A cold walk !
Maybe 15 Km or more ? (felt like a long walk to us )
HBH: Default venue to start walks is
often: 12:00 at Haupt
Bahn Hof = Main Rail
Station, pedestrian concourse, ( 1 metre above external
pavement level), outside news agents "International Presse", in
main hall (not Starnberger & not Holzkirchner Bahnhof)
about 20 metres South into main building, from the North exit
of Main rail station building where it joins taxi rank of
Arnulf Str. Beyond end of (approx) platform 23.
- Ski Trips In winter months.
- Fackel Wanderung (Flaming Torch walk): Ask Richard/
- As well as mountain, country, fast & long walks,
& walks to a monastery etc, we also do shorter walks,
some in country, some in town with a commentary on local
history, & some eg from a U bahn in the English Garden (a
park) to a Beer
- Walks are announced to the mail list
- Other sports (& indoor) events get announced on general mail lists.
- Fancy a beer garden
in Munich Friday/Saturday evening ?
- Events are organised by unpaid unqualified
Participation is at your own risk and your own
responsibility. We disclaim all responsibility. If you don't
like that, do not come.
- No children ! Adults only. Local laws say a lot about
responsibilities of organisers,
events & kids. We're not paid & not interested to
shoulder family problems. We also discuss adult topics &
use words that don't interest or not fit for hearing by
- Pictures from some walks.
- Please volunteer to lead a walk, You do Not need
to be fast. If you're slower, that would suit some,
particularly beginners & irregular walkers. We have some
normal & fast leaders for normal & longer walks, but
we're short of leaders for shorter & slower walks. You
need to be good with a map & compass. Contact Author or Organisers.
to announcements. Those
who ignore what's announced, make themselves a nuisance to organiser
, group, & themselves !
No Stops En Route - If
No cafe to rest/ sit/ warm/ shade/ cool/ eat/ drink, no
railway to wimp out early, no village, no phone, no ice
cream, no taxi, no toilet
, no bar, no
tap to fill water bottle. Just because some other organiser
stop on route, does Not give
you right to expect/ ask/ depend on a stop on route ! If
you want food en route, bring it from home, or buy from
bakery train station before departure.
"Brisk Walk" - If
Brisk means faster than normal walking.
If you will not walk somewhat faster than normal, you will
be a problem to yourself & the group. Brisk is not a
"Fast Walk" - If announced
- If you will not or can not walk according to the
announcement, eg "Brisk", "Fast", "Non Stop" whatever ... ;
Do not come; stay home, or go on or organise some other
walk. Do not try to degrade a walk by slowing us down/
diverting or limiting us, or moaning.
- Organiser's wishes out rank
moaners by far. If in doubt do not come.
- Become an Organiser if you
want some other walk format. Organise, announce, plan,
navigate, & lead a walk of your preference. Our mail
lists, web etc available to help you organise walks, (In
particular we could use more organisers of slow walks.)
Moaning About Speed & Wanting Rests.
Inexperienced people sometimes assert we should all
go slower for some slow person, or we should divert,
pause, or shorten route etc: No ! - Wrong
Organisers & fit regulars know from experience:
- There's too often someone slow at the back,
risking losing us, potentially slowing us
- Slow people if accommodated, encourage more
slow people, on that walk or future walks.
- Walking groups that slowed a bit each week,
have before ended up far too slow.
- Fit walkers need & rely on leaders to keep
the pace up.
The Clueless: Guess What ... What
a surprise ;-)
Wimps: Realise There's Mud In The
Don't moan that you don't want to walk on mud ! We really
dislike walking on roads. We walk on muddy paths &
across fields without complaint.
If you want tarmac, do not join us, Use a path in a
park in the city. We will Not all walk on tarmac
because some wimp wants a quicker cleaner route to the
luxury of a toilet
in a cafe, or
to take a short cut to a railway station to rush back
to Munich. (We even had a fool in stiletto heels once,
who got sent home
- You'd think sensible people wouldn't need to be
told, you'd be suprised ;-)
- There are no toilets in the country.
- If you have a week bladder, an S Bahn trip + a 3
hour non stop walk in the winter
country without a leaf on a bush might be a problem,
especially to females.
- Go at home before leaving
- Or pay a few cents at eg the clean one at Munich
central station. Before coming to departure
point, from the S Bahn its its on the final top
underground level, on the right, just before walking up
final steps to meeting point. Or a McDonalds or
- After the train arrives, before the walk starts,
there's often no toilet.
- If there is one on S Bahn station its sometimes
closed for vandalism.
- A single toilet, if it exists, with a queue of
females wanting to use it before we start a walk,
delays & irritates the rest of the group.
- We do Not divert group past cafes for one or two to
go the toilet while we all wait, then other walkers get
diverted to also go in, sit down, order, wait, consume,
ask to pay, wait to pay. Don't make us all wait. You
wait till we stop, or till landscape gives you
- We do not stop the group for individuals diving off
We do not walk slow so individuals can catch up.
- Run to catch up, or
- Bring own mobile phone to tell leader youve
dropped off the walk. &
- Bring your own compass & map to find your
way home !
- Plan ahead, wait, synchronise together to minimise
- There's no leaves for camouflage in the winter,
just bare trees, turns in the trail & dips in the
- If people request/ remind leader in advance :
occasional brief halt[s] to drink water/ snack/ admire
view may be chosen to also be at places where cover is
good in two directions left & right, & leader
or other loud voice can call out eg: men left &
are out for a decent
walk & exercise, at the speed & format They
announced, Ideas can be welcome, but remember you are a
guest on the organiser
they bothered to organise, not a paying customer entitled
to anything.) The more people in the group, the less
flexibility is possible, Don't support a moaner, explain to
a moaner why they should comply with group: We don't have
organising, We want more organisers
for more walks. Moaners
degrade good walks.
All people should best individually themselves write their
own name on back of group tickets, to reduce chance of
misunderstanding who has to pay who how much. Legibly in
block capitals. This helps ticket buyers owed money, stops
occasional free loaders, & assures people who don't want
to be fined if some problem over who & how many on which
MVV - Innen- Raum
Those prior possessing MVV Innen- Raum tickets are often a
source of confusion: they tend to give no firm loud simple
Yes or No to the vital question "Will you join our group
ticket ?", & to delay, wandering round asking how many on
which ticket. Innen- Raum Ticket holders should turn up
first, (especially if train departs soon after meeting time),
for they need maximum time to organise themselves, & Not
spread confusion "Did they [finally] commit to our ticket
? Are we free to sell seat to someone else to reduce costs
Group Tickets - 6 not a good number - better more or less
At July 2009
- A group ticket for up to 5 people Schliersee >
Tegernesee > Muenchen --> costs 21 Euro.
- A single person day ticket costs 14 Euro.
- 5 People: 4.2 Euro
- 6 People: 5.83 Euro
- 7 People: 6 Euro : 2 Group tickets. Advantageous if
group splits on mountain, or in bar after before trains to
Munich, or on after by MVV. Leaders can consider
spreading tickets before hike starts (not to those who may
- 8 People: 5.25 Euro.
Tickets valid for day of stamping, Not till 24 hours later
same time next day.
Tobacco Smoke Avoidance
Nearly all walkers are non smokers, If you are a smoker
Please either don't smoke on the walk, or stay at the back
& down wind & Please ensure your smoke does Not
blow on all the rest who are out for some Clean Air !
Please also do Not take your last drag before jumping on a
train then exhaling death breath ;-)
A German speaking group Nicht Raucher Initiative
Muenchen Also does mountain walks
- Use their
- There's some mountain walks listed in their 01/2009
programme (inc a picture of them on a peak in
- see the centre pull out of their by
subscription paper newsletter,
- Contact: Guenther K. 3171212
- Bunch of map servers
- Some distances & speeds are given above as it may
help some newcomers know what sort of speeds we sometimes
go at. Though of course conditions, leaders & groups
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