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We Don't Divert &/or Stop For Toilets For Individuals

  • Sensible people shouldn't need to be told, but you'd be surprised how many forget & ignore:
  • There are no toilets in the country.
  • If you have a week bladder, an S Bahn trip + a 3 hour non stop walk in the winter country without a leaf on a bush might be a problem, especially to females.
  • Go at home before leaving
  • Or arrive early & pay a few cents at eg the clean one at Munich central station. Before coming to departure point, from the S Bahn its its on the final top underground level, on the right, just before walking up final steps to meeting point. Or a McDonalds or similar.
  • After the train arrives, before the walk starts, there's often no toilet.
  • If there is one on S Bahn station its sometimes closed for vandalism, or sometimes frozen etc.
  • A single toilet, if it exists, with a queue of females wanting to use it before we start a walk, really delays & irritates the rest of the group.
  • There's no leaves for camouflage in the winter, just bare trees, turns in the trail & dips in the ground.
  • We do Not divert group past cafes for one or two to go the toilet while we all wait, then other walkers get diverted to also go in, sit down, order, wait, consume, ask to pay, wait to pay. Don't try to make us all wait. We will not. You wait till we stop, or untill landscape gives you camouflage ! or until pub in middle of walk, if pub not scheduled at end. Else do not come with us.
  • We do not stop the group for a stream of periodic individuals diving off in bushes, (we might or not slow down, but only if the group is small).
    • You must Run to catch up, or
    • Bring your mobile phone & make a courtesy call to tell leader you've dropped off the walk.
    • Bring your own compass & map, monitor where you are, & find your own way home !
    • If you loose yourself, blame yourself.
  • Plan ahead, wait, synchronise together to minimise stops or diving in bushes..
  • If you must dive in bushes, consider asking organser when next stop will be, & wait to drop back till just before the rest of us are about to stop for a drink from water bottle & or snack.
  • Be considerate ! If you see someone dive off in the bushes, & you want to too, if person is of same sex/gender as you, dive off the same side left or right, & leave the other right or left free for those of the other sex/gender, don't occupy both sides. - You think that too is obvious & shouldn't need to be mentioned ? Not so, you'd be suprised !.
  • If people request/ remind leader in advance : occasional brief halt[s] to drink water/ snack/ admire view may be chosen to also be at places where cover is good in two directions left & right, & leader or other loud voice can call out eg: men left & women right.

Walk organisers are Not paid

Organisers are out for a decent walk & exercise, at the speed & format They announced, Ideas can be welcome, but remember you are a guest on the organiser's walk they bothered to organise, not a paying customer entitled to anything.) The more people in the group, the less flexibility is possible, Don't support a moaner, explain to a moaner why they should comply with group: We don't have enough organisers, Moaners discourage organisers from organising, We want more organisers for more walks. Moaners degrade good walks.

Group Tickets for walks, hikes & Bike trips.

All people should best individually themselves write their own name on back of group tickets, to reduce chance of misunderstanding who has to pay who how much. Legibly in block capitals. This helps ticket buyers owed money, stops occasional free loaders, & assures people who don't want to be fined if problems or misunderstandings over who & how many on which ticket.

The final beer garden/ cafe/ whatever (if designated), at end of a trip is part of trip. Is Not "Freiwillig" or individual choice, but an expected included part of trip schedule. You can't individually clear off early & rush back to Munich, except if you bought a single ticket, or can individualy arrange to swap seats between group tickets so as to allow one group ticket to leave early, with Full number of passengers, and Not using excess tickets & Not leave anyone stranded). Group ticket holders must declare themselves to Organiser as fully passengered, if they want to leave early.

Not paying for a ticket, or abandoning someone on a group ticket, will most likely get you banned from trip mail lists.

At June 2013 still, group Gesamt- netz tickets from some machines are pre printed with date, do not need to be inserted in ticket stamping (what MVV call cancelling) machines & are slightly too wide to fit to be stamped; whereas some other tickets Do still need to be stamped.

MVV - Innen- Raum Ticket Syndrome

Those prior possessing MVV Innen- Raum tickets are often a source of confusion & delay: they tend to give no firm loud simple Yes or No to the vital question "Will you join our Gesamt- Netz group ticket ?", & to delay, wandering round asking how many on which ticket. Innen- Raum Ticket holders need to turn up Early, (especially if train departs soon after meeting time), for they need maximum time to organise themselves, & Not spread confusion to the rest "Did they [finally] commit to our ticket ? Are we free to sell seat to someone else to reduce costs ?"

BOB Group Tickets - If 6 people, Try to Pay More ! Not just for 5 + 1 tickets

Fare structures have changed since, making this no so current, but they may change again:
At July 2009
  • A group ticket for up to 5 people Schliersee > Tegernesee > Muenchen --> costs 21 Euro.
  • A single person day ticket costs 14 Euro.
Per Head:
  • 5 People: 4.2 Euro for { 1 x Group @ 21 } / 5
  • 6 People: 5.83 Euro for (bad idea!) { 1 x Group @ 21 + 1 x Single @ 14 } / 6
  • 6 People: 7 Euro for (good idea!) { 2 x Group @ 21 } / 6
  • 7 People: 6 Euro for { 2 Group tickets @ 21 } / 7 :
    . Advantageous if group splits on mountain, or in bar after before trains to Munich, or on after by MVV. leaders can consider spreading tickets before hike starts (not to those who may rush ahead).
  • 8 People: 5.25 Euro { 2 x Group @ 21 } / 8 .
  • If 6 People look at your 2 options above: Realise for just 1.13 Euros per head you can get 2 group tickets instead ! When I found that I reccomended it for flexibility & we all agreed. That afternoon at Tegern- see rail station it was packed; the usual persuasion started between 2 groups all intent on persuading the others to travel back together & all choose one of: stand packed in a sweaty smelly train for an hour, or be late after a drink & a meal by the lake to avoid crowds & get a seat. Then with 3 on each sub group, we realised we could easily split, 3 could rush off & stand, & 3 could go for a drink, a wander & a meal, all were suddenly relieved & happy, for just 1.17 Euro extra that morning! Pass the tip on :-) (No uneasy compromise an hour later would have worked, the trains were packed for hours).
Tickets valid for day of stamping, Not till 24 hours later same time next day.

Tobacco Smoke Avoidance

Take the opportunity to walk with Non Smokers. All regular walkers are now non smokers, & pretty much all less regular & occasional walkers too. If you are a smoker Please don't smoke on the walk; if you have some sudden unexpected nicotine addiction, stay at the back & well down wind & Please ensure your smoke does Not blow on the rest who came for Clean Air, not a cancerous dead smell. Do Not take your last drag before jumping on a train then exhaling death breath & emitting from clothes, hair & skin too. A smoker might assert walker's sweat smells too, but at least that is not gratuitous & carcinogenic from drug addiction. Numerous walkers & leaders dislike tobacco smoke to varying degrees. Walk leader Julian is allergic to & detests tobacco smoke, do not come on his walks if you smoke.

A German speaking group Nicht Raucher Initiative Muenchen Also does mountain walks

  • Use their search engine
  • There were usually some mountain walks listed in their NIM programme, last I looked was 01/2009 programme (inc a picture of them on a peak in snow) & 2013-06-13.
  • see the centre pull out of their by subscription paper newsletter,
  • Contact: Guenther K. 3171212

Equipment: Spikes, Grodeln

Bring a map, compass, & learn to use them. Bring water & snacks. Bring waterproofs if dodgy weather. Wear the right shoes or boots. We sent home one clown who came in high heels for a country walk. No we don't stick to roads. Yes is IS muddy in the country. Yes we do walk in mud, though we prefer to keep dry. Yes this organiser has taken off boots & socks & waded up to mid knee after heavy rain blocked a route. Yes a bit of string in a pocket might be a good idea. We've seen a walking boot delaminate at the sole.

If a mountain hike, Consider sticks, maybe a torch in winter, maybe a lightweight plasticised foil thermal insulating rescue sheet. Pack a couple of magnesium tablet: ever tried a high mountain with a fellow hiker who has cramp in his leg[s] ? Pack a couple of glucose tablets, some people run out of energy (& heat) faster than others.

Maps

  • Bunch of map servers listed here.
  • Some distances & speeds are given above as it may help some newcomers know what sort of speeds we sometimes go at. Though of course conditions, leaders & groups vary.

Other Groups

Some hikes & walks

Listed just if someone takes a camera & sends pictures to Julian, or if the walk is memorable for some reason.

  •   2004 05 20 En route up to Herzogstand
    2004 05 20 Herzogstand

  •   2007 02 11 fackel richard
    2007 02 11 Burning Torch Night Walk

  •   2008 02 24 wolfratshausen to Schäftlarn
    2008 02 24 Wolfratshausen -> Schäftlarn

  •   2008 03 30 Richard's walk
    2008 03 30

  •   2008 05 25 Jochberg to Walchensee
    2008 05 25 Jochberg -> Walchensee

  •   2008 08 03 Hoellental
  •   2008 10 05 Schliersee -> Tegernsee
  •   2008 10 12 Tegernsee
  •   2009-07-26 Mountain hike Schliersee -> Tegernsee
  •   2009-07-26 Richard brisk 12Km country walk
  •   2009-08-08 Bike ride Paul Julian Ute + ? 12km Olympiaeinkaufszentrum -> Karlsfelder See
  •   2009-08-16 Richard 12km brisk walk
  •   2009-09-27 Richard 12km brisk walk
  •   2009-09-27 Waltraud's hike Saulgrub
  •   2009-10-04 Mountain Hike Rotwand
  •   2009-10-11 Brisk Walk with Richard
  •   2009-10-18 Hike, Herzogstand + Heimgarten with Nigel Herzogstand + Heimgarten
  •   2009-11-15 Nigel Fast walk
  •   2009-11-22 Nigel + Irmgard Fast walk 15km
  •   2009-12-13 Nigel + Irmgard Fast walk 10 km Kirch- seeon -> Ebers- berg.

  •   2009 12 26 isar
    2009-12-26 Xmas Walk Nord- fried- hof -> Park -> Cafe Schwabing.

    Paul 2009 12 26 Boxing Day walk along River Isar to Pub with Beer Gardeners

  •   2009-12-30 Richard Brisk Walk
  •   2010-01-10 [Fast] Walk in snow Julian (Dieter has a blog here)
  •   2010-01-24 Fast walk Julian
  •   2010-01-31 Fast Snow Walk Julian
  • 2010-02-07 no walk

  •   2010 02 14 walk around grafing to ebersberg
    2010-02-14 Fast walk in the snow Julian led a Snow Walk starting Grafing Bahnhof, around, through Grafing, on to Ebers- berg.

  •   2010 02 21 Starnberg > Andechs > Herrsching
    2010-02-21 Fast walk. Julian led Starnberg > Andechs > Herrsching - Approx 21 km, arrived in dark maybe 19:00 or so.
    The leg to Herrsching was longer than normal, further North to road as path down to valley was too steep & icy.

  •   2010-02-28 Fast walk 20km Julian Holz Riegel Kreuth -> Schäftlarn -> Starnberg.

  •   2010-03-15 Walk Julian Wesling -> Starnberg
  • Sundry other walks not listed.

  •   2011-02-06 Wolfratshausen -> Starnberg

  •   landscape
    2011-10-16-tegernsee

  •   2013-01-20 Herrsching Andechs Herrsching Snow Walk

  •   2013-02-03 Starnberg to Andechs Snow walk

  • 2013-02-10 Wolfratshausen to Starnberg
    + loop S. round escarpment. Snow walk. 16.87 Km, 3h:13m (excluding stops); Average Speed (excluding stops) 5.2 km/h; Max Speed 6.7 km/h; Total Ascent 102m (including very steep uphill start !); Total Descent 146 metre.

  • 2013-02-24 Haupt- Bahn- Hof -> Isar -> Aumeister -> Freiheit ~ 13 km. 12:15 > ~ 16:30 Deduct a guessed 1 hour or 1:15 lunch, so 4 or 4.33 km/ hour. On slippery icy snow paths.

  • 2013-03-03 Starnberg -> Tutzing, lots of sun, but lots of icy snow.
    GPS Stats From Frank: Distance 12.17 km; Duration 2h:18m:35s; Average. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed 7.0 km/h; Total Ascent 99 m; Total Descent 86 m;

  • 2013 03 10 Hechendorf -> Andechs -> Herrsching
    picture of andechs GPS Stats & Pic. From Frank: Distance 14.16 km; Duration 2h:40m:31s; Average. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed 7.5 km/h; Total Ascent 188 m; Total Descent 178 m;

  • 2013-03-24 Hoell- riegels- Kreuth along Isar -> Sendlinger Tor (branches above water fall @ Flaucher still covered thick in frozen spray @ ~ 15:30 - A cold winter).

  • 2013-03-31 Fröttmaning U- Bahn - East - past Deutsches Theater - NE - E across A- bahn - Lottlisa- behling- weg - past 4 cone towers (rubbish works ?) - up to Wind turbine & down to same point - more East on Lottlisa- behling- weg - past mosque (Freimann Moschee) - South on Freisinger Land str - East into woods of Isar - South in Isar valley - To - Aumeister lunch - South in Englischer- Garten - past Hirschau (closed), Seehaus (open) - Past surfers on river back of the national art gallery - East to Isar South along Isar to Fraunhofer Bruecke & U Bahn. A cold walk ! Maybe 15 Km or more ? (felt like a long walk to us)

  • 2013-06-09 Höhen- Schäftlarn -> Wolfratshausen
    This walk was navigated with a Compass 1:50,000 map (after purchase coated in adhesive plastic, essential for this walk!) + on latter half, a walker's smart phone / GPS , providing localisation & perhaps more detail. Comparing the route the day after between Compass map & maps.google.com one can see Compass map is wrong here

    Route:

    1. From South West end of Schäftlarn S- Bahn platform, a new route East to valley, crossing then joining Kloster- Str shortly before the Kloster,
    2. Down through the middle of beer garden at Kloster Schäftlarn to avoid traffic,
    3. Across the road bridge, to beer garden on right = South of road adjacent "Gasthaus Zum Brucken- Fischer", by river for a drink & to watch the swollen river. (Other pictures of river last week further downstream at Munich). Would have been nice to eat too, but a long way left to walk,
      One joked we could have lunch & take the bus back up the hill, Tempting smiley icon.
    4. (We stopped short of 2nd bridge East across the Isar- Kanal).
    5. Return back West = left across bridge
    6. South South West along the raised embankment.
    7. A field away from the West side of river, path headed South South West;
    8. After field on right=West ended, continued South West, through forest,
    9. Across field to rivulet (direction South) under trees where path became water logged, boots & socks off, barefoot through clear water ~ 20cm above muddy rutted track;
    10. South West through 2nd longer field, it remained too wet, so before path slanted West into forest,
    11. Up hill North West on a minor track that shrank to a trickle of water on stones.
    12. To top of valley, left
    13. Section Uncertain needs checking.
      1. Along West South West, &
      2. Left = SW down a track turned out to be a dead end forestry track, it was too steep & too far in raw forest to consider going down.
      3. Back up again; Then left = North West,
      4. Turning Left = South West, perhaps on to Gregor Weg ?
      5. Then on some path (I can't see on map), Down to the river on a long oblique along the side of the hill,
      6. Path parallel to river, then became steep up hill steps.
      7. Thunder & lightning on the way up, then pouring rain, (we remembered the earlier joke. )
      8. Another forest track down, that degenerated to nothing but raw forest.
    14. Back to near river level, we found a path, no way to know Isar was near, (where I remembered a path should be), except that a GPS phone told us we were near the river (maybe we'd have heard or seen it if it hadn't been raining so hard).
    15. A long walk on path (first bit submerged again), later much of which had clearly been washed by River recently (river was a few metres adjacent, about 1 meter below path),
    16. At turn off right, uphill to Icking in pouring rain, two were tempted. Leader pulled out plastic encased map, but too wet to focus & no glasses, & knew the river route not the inland route, & we didn't know how far to Icking S- Bahn). GPS- phone map not consulted (owner had displaced contact lens from excess rain).
    17. Stopped briefly at Weir (with fish ladder on near = West side, & (un- noticed as so wet), Isar Canal starts on East side). Someone suggested we could cross & walk other side, but we did not as that would have been a much longer route (via Puppling, to a bridge to cross Isar, to get to Wolfratshausen on Loisach)
    18. South West to where, North of Pupplinger AU, the river Loisach on West joins river Isar on East.
    19. Stone path by S Bahn rail track, Saw a small less than 1 metre wide subsidence off rubble from rail track on to path (we travelled back along that track later),
    20. South Underneath modern concrete bridge of S- Bahn.
    21. South past raft launch point
    22. South past 2nd raft launch point
    23. South past pub Gruener Baum on right=West,
    24. Left=East Crossed green metal road bridge of Weidacher Haupt- Str
    25. At East bank, Immediately South along East bank of river Loisach,
    26. Past Bahn- Hof- Str bridge,
    27. Past car park (with fun fair in rain with no customers),
    28. In to adjacent pub with beer garden "Wirtshaus Flosserei" in, all of us soaked, for a well deserved hot meal.
    29. North then East on to Hammer- Schmied- Weg to Bahn- Hof
    The smart phone did not have GPS log enabled to tell us distance, but we guessed maybe a good 15 km + altitude.
    (If we'd taken up the earlier suggestion of lunch at "Gasthaus Zum Brucken- Fischer", we might have had another 80 minutes walk in the rain before arrival, if we hadn't cut short.)

  • 2013-04-28 Irmgard Schliersee - Oberleiten - Fisch-hausen and back to Schliersee, approx. 9 km

  • 2013-04-28 Birgit Röhrmoos to Mariabrunn & back for St George's day

  • 2013-05-12 Chris 12km or 18km to South

  • 2013-05-20 Chris 18km Fast

  • 2013-06-09 Julian Julian, Fast, to Wolfratshausen from some S Bahn

  • 2013-06-23 Cornelia Bayerische Zeller Hoehen Weg

  • 2013-06-30 Ken 10 - 12 km along the Auer Mühlbach

  • 2013-07-07 Cornelia, Fisch-Bach-Au

  • 2013-08-18 Schliersee to Tegernsee Hike
    Group tickets on BOB 2 x 25 / 7 =~ 7.15 Euro.
    Map: "Alpen vereins karte 7/1 1:25 000, Tegernsee Schliersee"
    Julian*, + Astrid, Elena, Erica*, Ferial*, Gisela, Monika.
    Route:
    1. SW to lake
    2. W. round lake
    3. Left=South,
    4. Past HVB back gate,
    5. Right=West, Up slope along contour of Freuden- Berg,
    6. Past Eis- Platz on right,
    7. Left=South along edge of rail cutting,
    8. Right=West Over BOB rail foot- bridge, (last look at lake view)
    9. Along Tegernseer Weg to T junction with Wester- Berg- Str,
    10. Here, (as last time with Omar & Co, seeking a direct route) We did this diversion, same as last time:
      • Left=South,
      • Right=West past building, into timber yard
      • Right=North through timber yard
      • pedestrian gate @ far end fortunately not locked
      • Through & left = NW on to Tegernseer Weg
    11. Next time (2013-10-27) we should go Right=North, briefly along Wester- Berg- Str,
    12. then veer left = NW on to Tegernseer Weg
    13. 2nd Left (on juntion offering 2 lefts), SW uphill along Breiten- bach- str (not flat along Tegern- seer- weg)
    14. Past small lake/pond on Right.
    15. past Krains- berg on left, not taking Left=SE turn AV W10.
    16. Continuing SW parallel to Breiten- bach stream, along Hennerer Str,
    17. Past Rodel Bahn on left.
    18. Up to Hennerer Car Park on left.
    19. Uphill NW Past car park on left
    20. The off road ascent started here.
    21. (The bergfex.de + david.f/2013-08-31 route diverges from the car park, they follow the valley SW, an easier lesser set of gradients then take Prinzenweg around Kreuzkopf (the other side of which was a problem heading to Kreuzberg Alm. (which they reckon takes an hour -proof of easier gradients that way))
    22. NW up, SW along contour, W, NW steeply up AV (Alpen Verein) Wander weg/Steig W9 through Schilchen- tal to Gindel- Alm- Schneid (which is a bit S & down from Gindel summit 1271m)
    23. ( The bergfex.de + david.f/2013-08-31 route passes here later coming from South. Then they go West flat to Neureuth,then down Wander weg N via Lieberhof to Tegernsee. )
    24. Choice of 2 (or 3 possibly?) Alms, Stopped for a drink on the Right uncrowded nice view of Schlier- see, Met an organiser of AV @ Alm going the other way, who said next Alm would be a lot more crowded (but he & Elena were thinking of Neureuth, the short way, too short, not the planned route smiley icon)
    25. Drink @ Alm
    26. To avoid normal steep walk SW up bog-ish hill:
      • West a bit along AV N2
      • then up SE
      Flat SE to good view @ a cross with effigy of a man nailed up :-( Note this is Not Kreuz- berg, despite yet another cross littering the landscape.
    27. Down shallow then steep
      {** Diversion to try next time: Half way down the steep, & also at base before steep rise to Kreuz-berg hut, google maps satellite view shows 2 paths veers off to left = SE, which next time would seem to allow one to avoid surplus down then up past Kreuz-berg & down.
    28. SE Up steep path to Kreuz-berg with alm (didnt purchase, just sat on logs round the back (where no view of Schliersee))
    29. ( The bergfex.de + david.f/2013-08-31 route at this point is same path as ours, but opposite direction. )
    30. W,S,E down 4 wheel vehicle track
    31. Veer off right = South down steep field, off track, (harder on knees but quicker) rejoining same track (that headed E then SW) heading down SW at first T junction with Prinzen- Weg
    32. A sign there points SE, marked:
      • Henner 45 685
      • Schliersee 1 1/4 685
      The AV map shows it as W9.
    33. Maybe 20 metres SSW slightly down to next junction with footpath up SSE
    34. Signed in yellow background & black font:
      • Baum- Garten- Schneid 1444 1 1/4
        ueber Sag- Fleckl.
      • Rieder-stein 1207 2H
        ueber Baum- Garten- Schneid
      • Galaun 2 1/2
    35. 4 dropped out, (Un-related to next bit, just had enough).
      They disappeared SSW down AV vehicle track N2.
    36. PROBLEM: We 3 (marked *) continued SSE up AV footpath N2 toward Kreuz- Berg- Koepfl
    37. It curves right = SSW up then flat, (a steep drop to right, not for people with vertigo). Then the path just seemed to end ! We couldn't figure where it had gone before, all seemed pretty much raw forest. We turned back! Failed to reach Sag-Fleckl (Julian had planned after that to continue on to Baum- Garten- Schneid, then Rieder-stein as on a previous hike).
      (Despite Julian had used it previously (with Omar & co. I recall ?), & despite we met other older hikers who reckoned they'd used it 20/30 times before & planned to go up where we'd just come back down). I think the problem may be the path now curves to right & levels off. I suspect it should continue up more vertically, with a slight veer left out of edge of wood into the field ?. We 3 (*) looked carefully on way back, but didn't see a fork, or a disused trail.
      Looking at maps.google.org does not help, as their pictures are oblique & were taken in summer, leaves on trees.
    38. We reverted to SSW down AV vehicle track N2.
    39. Left = SE, then SW along long boring wide stone vehicle track, over a kilometre below & past Rieder-stein (above on left)
    40. Up, S, E, S to Galaun in maybe 5 or 10 mins,
    41. Drink at Hut (nice view of S. end of Tegernsee lake) Drinks more expensive than Gindel- Alm- Schneid someone said.
    42. (Omitted to go up to Rieder-stein chapel.)
    43. Return West across small plateau, & first left, a slightly different way than up, not shown on AV map, but joining back to same boring stone road
    44. *** Back along same Boring road WNW, N past previously where we'd joined, West past Hubertus Huette along AV N2 parallel to Alp-bach stream. A giant long loop fit better for vehicles, not hikers who can also go up & down !
    45. Previous *** decision was discussed & agreed by all, but looking at map more since, it would have been 3 x shorter & more interesting had we gone North on AV T4 by Rieder-stein Holz, Auer-bauer AV T3, & would have emerged somewhat nearer Indian.
    46. Left = South to Indian meal outside @ See Str 7
    47. Leisurely stroll South + West down to lake & benches
    48. North along lake;
    49. East up to road
    50. North to train un-crowded both directions smiley icon.
    I think there may be a bus back to Schliersee, if people did it by car, but if so not often, but for this one I prefer BOB not car. Other years (iwth Omar & Co) we've also come down much further SE, probably at Rottach, & taken a bus to Tegernsee.

    The bergfex.de + david.f/2013-08-31 route seems a somewhat shorter version of ours, particularly with our extras, & the up gradients seem gentler (from the map), bergfex.de route quotes stats: { 14.6 km Duration 3:00 Up 690m Down 742m Max. Height 1,324 m Min. 737 m } We didnt have GPS equipment with us to measure ours. The Duration 3h seems a lot less than we took on a steeper ascent & longer route on a hot day, but our real time perception also includes break times at peaks & Alms ! smiley icon


  • 2013-08-31 River Walk Columbus Platz to Großhesselohe beer garden with Ken R.
    Announced as: This will be a walk of about 10 - 12 km along the Auer Mühlbach, beginning just south of Kolombus Platz and continuing along the shores of the Izar to Großhesselohe stopping for a drink, etc. probably at the Waldwärtschaft beergarden. We will meet at the Bushaltestelle just outside the western U-Bahn exit at Kolombus Platz on Humboldstraße at 2:30 Sunday the 1st of September. If you are arriving on the U-Bahn please take the Plarrnerstr. - Bus 58 Silberhornstraße exit. My cellphone number is ....
    Julian arrived by bike just after they'd left & raced round country on bike trying to find them, and joined at beer garden smiley face
  • Cornelia did an extra bonus walk back !

  • 2013-09-08 Bayrisch Zell, Helga H (leader)
    Announced as: Easy walk about 2 hours up , break at a nice panorama view cafe. Meeting 09.45 at Hauptbahnhof at the ticket counter for the BOB Bahn
    group, valley in background
    Picture is coming down after lunch, where we joined a road. left to right: Marion, Elke, Astrid, Helga H (leader), Stephanie, Cornelia, Birgit, Julian (behind camera). In the valley we split, 4 took the train, 4 of us walked to other side of valley, then SE back to Bayrisch Zell for ice cream & then the BOB train (full later, but no one standing in our part). Another walk where by chance Julian was only male & English, & all the rest female & German, though we chatted in both languages, so what's happened to all the men we wondered ? I've since been told the Denkmal schutz opening of monuments that day included rare opening of bomb shelters - Maybe real men were all down bomb shelters & inspecting ? -) . PS all non smokers again, as usual. Other larger higher quality pictures off line.

  • 2013-09-27 Holzkirchen Cornelia

  • 2013-10-13 - 2 walks !
    • Miesbach 09:10 Cornelia
    • Seefeld-Hechendorf.Herrsching-Andechs-Herrrsching : 12:00: Julian
      Walkers in front of Andechs monastery wall at top of hill.

  • 2013-10-27
    • Walk, Cornelia, 11km, 110m, + optional 8km & 300m to Fischbachau
    • Hike, Julian, Schliersee to Tegernsee via Sagfleckl (1154), & Gindelalmschneid (1330) & Indian restaurant @ lake Tegernsee.
      1. Same start as 2013-08-18 ...
      2. Up past Hennerer Car Park on left.
      3. Before the pub: Left continue following the valley, (Not right on W9 to Gindelschneid.
      4. South West up Stradel- Tal to junction.
      5. I turned right onto path W9, going N then NW anti clockwise on Prinzenweg, around Kreuzberg- Koepfel.
      6. To have allowed us to check the Puzzle from 2013-08-18, I could/should instead have gone left South then West to Sagfleckl, to allow us to then try N2 clockwise round Sagfleckl - So the mystery remains!
      7. After exiting Prinzenweg I took Omar & at least 1 other from the group 15 metres South West, to see the Puzzle from 2013-08-18, but we did not go up & try & solve it (As one of the group had gone ahead alone up toward Kreuzberg)
      8. 1st Mountain hut (Kreuzberg) was closed (as of 1st Oct, a man inside, but marked Private).
      9. 2nd (Gindelalm) 2 were open, ours (Southern one) was open for last w/end, & ran out of of dunkles beer, kaiser schmarn, some cakes etc.
      10. 3rd, Neureuther was open (as expected, near Tegernesee) but we didn't go in.
      11. The track (named as Winter track) I chose (largely 'cos it would deliver us near right part of Tegernsee for Indian + weather was beginning to fail) starting just short (East) Of Neureuther that heads South was steep wide fast, slippery grit, boring, obviously the supply route for vehicles, next time we'll probably try one just after (West) of Neureuther), though the contours show it (later them) as even steeper, some are real rock foot paths, not gravel vehicle track/road.

  • 2013-11-01 Friday! Hike, Cornelia, to Fischbachau via Elbach to Schwarzenberg. altitude: 440m (some steep parts)- Duration: 3-4 hours
  • 2014-02-23 Walk See- feld - Hechen- Dorf, to Herrsching to Andechs (lunch), to Herrsching led by Julian

  • 2014-03-09 Walk Hoehen- schaftlarn to Wolfrats- Hausen, about 16km, led by Julian, Frank probably has a GPS log.
  • Hersching to std. bench beyond & back via Lunch @ Andechs. Approx 15km

  • 2014-10-19 Ships screw (propeller) (Schiffs- schraube) Museums- insel, Ludwigs- bruecke. South To Gross Hesseloehe Beer Garden, North then East over Bridge & North past Menterschwaige Beer Garden, to Trudering U Bahn. (Route chose to avoiding striking S Bahns). Led by Julian
  • 2014-11-02 Starnberg to Herrsching with Julian, via meal at Andechs.
    Frank's device informs: total 18.94 km, traveling 3:37 h, (5.2 km/hour) ascended 439 meters, descended 438 m, average temperature of 17, humidity 51% Torches were used for descent.

Next Walks & Hikes

  • Future dates where/if known/ listed, are subject to weather & whim.
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HBH: Default venue to start walks is often: 12:00 at Haupt Bahn Hof = Main Rail Station, pedestrian concourse, ( 1 metre above external pavement level), outside news agents "International Presse", in main hall (not Starnberger & not Holzkirchner Bahnhof) about 20 metres South into main building, from the North exit of Main rail station building where it joins taxi rank of Arnulf Str. Beyond end of (approx) platform 23.

  • Ski Trips In winter months.
  • Fackel Wanderung (Flaming Torch walk): Ask Richard/ Frank/ Julian.
  • As well as mountain, country, fast & long walks, & walks to a monastery etc, we also do shorter walks, some in country, some in town with a commentary on local history, & some eg from a U bahn in the English Garden (a park) to a Beer Garden.
  • Walks are announced to the mail list
  • Other sports (& indoor) events get announced on general mail lists.
  • Fancy a beer garden in Munich Friday/Saturday evening ?
  • Events are organised by unpaid unqualified volunteers.
    Participation is at your own risk and your own responsibility. We disclaim all responsibility. If you don't like that, do not come.
  • No children ! Adults only. Local laws say a lot about responsibilities of organisers, events & kids. We're not paid & not interested to shoulder family problems. We also discuss adult topics & use words that don't interest or not fit for hearing by kids.
  • Pictures from some walks.
  • Please volunteer to lead a walk;
    • You do Not need to be fast!
      If you're slower, that would suit some, particularly beginners & irregular walkers. We have some normal walk, & some fast & long walk leaders, but we're short of leaders for shorter & slower walks! (Perhaps because regulars speed up ?)
    • You do not Need to be able to use a compass !!!
      You can alone organise a walk, or share organising it with someone else. (eg sometimes one person is good at email, another is good with a compass). Just be absolutely sure which of you will do all of these: { Send email announcement; organise tickets; head counts; choose a route on map, considering distances & obstacles; navigate (being able to also use the sun if no cloud, or a compass, and Not relying just on GPS that could fail if eg battery fails, it gets dropped, rain or river water ingress-es etc); select plan & find the at the right stage en route (whether you pre- decide middle or end); capable to speak English & German (for walkers, farmers, ticket inspectors, travel disruption announcements) (not essential, just nice, as most of us can speak English & German, but remember we sometimes have people whose native language is neither English nor German) } .
    • Contact Author or Organisers.

The Fast, The Slow, Wimps, Moaners & The Clueless ;-)

Do Read & Listen to announcements. Those who ignore what's announced, make themselves a nuisance to organiser, group, & themselves ! Examples:

No Stops En Route - If announced

No cafe to rest/ sit/ warm/ shade/ cool/ eat/ drink, no railway to wimp out early, no village, no phone, no ice cream, no taxi, no toilet, no bar, no tap to fill water bottle. Just because some other organiser stop on route, does Not give you right to expect/ ask/ depend a stop on route ! If you want food en route, bring it from home, or buy from bakery train station before departure.

"Brisk Walk" - If announced

Brisk means faster than normal walking.
If you will not walk somewhat faster than normal, you will be a problem to yourself & the group. Brisk is not a relaxed ramble!

"Fast Walk" - If announced

  • Expect a fast or tiring long walk !
  • If you walk at a normal speed, you are Too Slow, do not come ! Expect to be left behind, to find your own way back. Bring your own map & compass to find your own way, alone.
  • We aim for a combination of eg fast 3 hours non stop, or minimum 15km to perhaps 20+ km.
    (I blush at defining "Fast" at these low numbers, as real long distance pilgrims going eg France to Spain used to walk maybe 25/ 30 km between stops ? & armies march/ yomp long distance with heavy loads on worse terrain than us leisure walkers)
  • Only about 15% of our walkers enjoy the Fast walks.
  • Normal walkers would be uncomfortably stressed/ the fast walks.
  • We occasionally throw in a few extra kilometres en route for a nicer view, a better route or a better pub, etc. It may be discussed en route, moaning is bad form.
  • Fast walk organisers & walkers will not change plans & slow speed for a slow walker.
  • Are we trying to scare off all but Fast people from walks announced as Fast ? Yes, Of course ! Best to have a matched group, not disparate speeds ! smiley face
  • Not all walks are Fast. Go on a normal one first if in doubt.

Moaners

  • If you will not or can not walk according to the announcement, eg "Brisk", "Fast", "Non Stop" whatever ... ; Do not come; stay home, or go on or organise some other walk. Do not try to degrade a walk by slowing us down/ diverting or limiting us, or moaning.
  • Organiser's wishes out rank moaners by far. If in doubt do not come.
  • Become an Organiser if you want some other walk format. Organise, announce, plan, navigate, & lead a walk of your preference. Our mail lists, web etc available to help you organise walks, (In particular we could use more organisers of slow walks.)
  • Moaning About Speed & Wanting Rests.
    • Inexperienced people sometimes assert we should all go slower for some slow person, or we should divert, pause, or shorten route etc: No ! - Wrong !
      Organisers & fit regulars know from experience:
      • There's too often someone slow at the back, risking losing us, potentially slowing us down.
      • Slow people if accommodated, encourage more slow people, on that walk or future walks.
      • Walking groups that slowed a bit each week, have before ended up far too slow.
      • Fit walkers need & rely on leaders to keep the pace up.

The Clueless: Guess What ... What a surprise ;-)

  • Wimps: Realise There's Mud In The Country !
    Don't moan that you don't want to walk on mud ! We really dislike walking on roads. We walk on muddy paths & across fields without complaint.
    If you want tarmac, do not join us, Use a path in a park in the city. We will Not all walk on tarmac because some wimp wants a quicker cleaner route to the luxury of a toilet in a cafe, or to take a short cut to a railway station to rush back to Munich. (We even had a fool in stiletto heels once, who got sent home smiley face )
  • No Toilets !

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