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| + loop S. round escarpment. Snow walk. 16.87 Km, 3h:13m (excluding stops); Average Speed (excluding stops) 5.2 km/h; Max Speed 6.7 km/h; Total Ascent 102m (including very steep uphill start !); Total Descent 146 metre. |
GPS Stats From Frank: Distance 12.17 km; Duration 2h:18m:35s; Avg. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed 7.0 km/h; Total Ascent 99 m; Total Descent 86 m;
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GPS Stats & Pic. From Frank: Distance 14.16 km; Duration 2h:40m:31s; Avg. Speed 5.3 km/h; Max. Speed 7.5 km/h; Total Ascent 188 m; Total Descent 178 m; |
HBH: Default venue to start walks is often: 12:00 at Haupt Bahn Hof = Main Rail Station, pedestrian concourse, ( 1 metre above external pavement level), outside news agents "International Presse", in main hall (not Starnberger & not Holzkirchner Bahnhof) about 20 metres South into main building, from the North exit of Main rail station building where it joins taxi rank of Arnulf Str. Beyond end of (approx) platform 23.
- Ski Trips In winter months.
- Fackel Wanderung (Flaming Torch walk): Ask Richard/ Frank/ Julian.
- As well as mountain, country, fast & long walks, & walks to a monastery etc, we also do shorter walks, some in country, some in town with a commentary on local history, & some eg from a U bahn in the English Garden (a park) to a Beer Garden.
- Walks are announced to the mail list
- Other sports (& indoor) events get announced on general mail lists.
- Fancy a beer garden in Munich Friday/Saturday evening ?
- Events are organised by unpaid unqualified
volunteers.
Participation is at your own risk and your own responsibility. We disclaim all responsibility. If you don't like that, do not come. - No children ! Adults only. Local laws say a lot about responsibilities of organisers, events & kids. We're not paid & not interested to shoulder family problems. We also discuss adult topics & use words that don't interest or not fit for hearing by kids.
- Pictures from some walks.
- Please volunteer to lead a walk, You do Not need to be fast. If you're slower, that would suit some, particularly beginners & irregular walkers. We have some normal & fast leaders for normal & longer walks, but we're short of leaders for shorter & slower walks. You need to be good with a map & compass. Contact Author or Organisers.
The Fast, The Slow, Wimps, Moaners & The Clueless ;-)
Do Read & Listen to announcements. Those
who ignore what's announced, make themselves a nuisance to organiser, group, & themselves !
Examples:
No Stops En Route - If announced
No cafe to rest/ sit/ warm/ shade/ cool/ eat/ drink, no
railway to wimp out early, no village, no phone, no ice
cream, no taxi, no toilet, no bar, no
tap to fill water bottle. Just because some other organiser stop on route, does Not give
you right to expect/ ask/ depend on a stop on route ! If
you want food en route, bring it from home, or buy from
bakery train station before departure.
"Brisk Walk" - If announced
Brisk means faster than normal walking.
If you will not walk somewhat faster than normal, you will be a problem to yourself & the group. Brisk is not a relaxed ramble!
If you will not walk somewhat faster than normal, you will be a problem to yourself & the group. Brisk is not a relaxed ramble!
"Fast Walk" - If announced
- Expect a fast or tiring long walk !
- If you walk at a normal speed, you are Too Slow, do not come ! Expect to be left behind, to find your own way back. Bring your own map & compass to find your own way, alone.
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We aim for a combination of eg fast 3 hours non stop, or
minimum 15km to perhaps 20+ km.
(I blush at defining "Fast" at these low numbers, as real long distance pilgrims going eg France to Spain used to walk maybe 25/ 30 km between stops ? & armies march/ yomp long distance with heavy loads on worse terrain than us leisure walkers)
- Only about 15% of our walkers enjoy the Fast walks.
- Normal walkers would be uncomfortably stressed/ the fast walks.
- We occasionally throw in a few extra kilometres en route for a nicer view, a better route or a better pub, etc. It may be discussed en route, but moaning is not acceptable.
- Fast walk organisers & walkers will not change plans & slow speed for a slow walker.
- Are we trying to scare off all but Fast people from
walks announced as Fast ? Yes, Of course ! Best to have
a matched group, not disparate speeds !
- Not all walks are Fast. Go on a normal one first if in doubt.
Moaners
- If you will not or can not walk according to the announcement, eg "Brisk", "Fast", "Non Stop" whatever ... ; Do not come; stay home, or go on or organise some other walk. Do not try to degrade a walk by slowing us down/ diverting or limiting us, or moaning.
- Organiser's wishes out rank moaners by far. If in doubt do not come.
- Become an Organiser if you want some other walk format. Organise, announce, plan, navigate, & lead a walk of your preference. Our mail lists, web etc available to help you organise walks, (In particular we could use more organisers of slow walks.)
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Moaning About Speed & Wanting Rests.
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Inexperienced people sometimes assert we should all
go slower for some slow person, or we should divert,
pause, or shorten route etc: No ! - Wrong
!
Organisers & fit regulars know from experience:- There's too often someone slow at the back, risking losing us, potentially slowing us down.
- Slow people if accommodated, encourage more slow people, on that walk or future walks.
- Walking groups that slowed a bit each week, have before ended up far too slow.
- Fit walkers need & rely on leaders to keep the pace up.
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Inexperienced people sometimes assert we should all
go slower for some slow person, or we should divert,
pause, or shorten route etc: No ! - Wrong
!
The Clueless: Guess What ... What a surprise ;-)
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Wimps: Realise There's Mud In The Country !
Don't moan that you don't want to walk on mud ! We really dislike walking on roads. We walk on muddy paths & across fields without complaint.If you want tarmac, do not join us, Use a path in a park in the city. We will Not all walk on tarmac because some wimp wants a quicker cleaner route to the luxury of a toilet in a cafe, or to take a short cut to a railway station to rush back to Munich. (We even had a fool in stiletto heels once, who got sent home )
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No Toilets !
- You'd think sensible people wouldn't need to be told, you'd be suprised ;-)
- There are no toilets in the country.
- If you have a week bladder, an S Bahn trip + a 3 hour non stop walk in the winter country without a leaf on a bush might be a problem, especially to females.
- Go at home before leaving
- Or pay a few cents at eg the clean one at Munich central station. Before coming to departure point, from the S Bahn its its on the final top underground level, on the right, just before walking up final steps to meeting point. Or a McDonalds or similar.
- After the train arrives, before the walk starts, there's often no toilet.
- If there is one on S Bahn station its sometimes closed for vandalism.
- A single toilet, if it exists, with a queue of females wanting to use it before we start a walk, delays & irritates the rest of the group.
- We do Not divert group past cafes for one or two to go the toilet while we all wait, then other walkers get diverted to also go in, sit down, order, wait, consume, ask to pay, wait to pay. Don't make us all wait. You wait till we stop, or till landscape gives you camouflage!
- We do not stop the group for individuals diving off in bushes.
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We do not walk slow so individuals can catch up.
- Run to catch up, or
- Bring own mobile phone to tell leader youve dropped off the walk. &
- Bring your own compass & map to find your way home !
- Plan ahead, wait, synchronise together to minimise stops.
- There's no leaves for camouflage in the winter, just bare trees, turns in the trail & dips in the ground.
- If people request/ remind leader in advance : occasional brief halt[s] to drink water/ snack/ admire view may be chosen to also be at places where cover is good in two directions left & right, & leader or other loud voice can call out eg: men left & women right.
Walk organisers are Not paid
Organisers are out for a decent
walk & exercise, at the speed & format They
announced, Ideas can be welcome, but remember you are a
guest on the organiser's walk
they bothered to organise, not a paying customer entitled
to anything.) The more people in the group, the less
flexibility is possible, Don't support a moaner, explain to
a moaner why they should comply with group: We don't have
enough organisers, Moaners
discourage organisers from
organising, We want more organisers for more walks. Moaners
degrade good walks.
Group Tickets
All people should best individually themselves write their
own name on back of group tickets, to reduce chance of
misunderstanding who has to pay who how much. Legibly in
block capitals. This helps ticket buyers owed money, stops
occasional free loaders, & assures people who don't want
to be fined if some problem over who & how many on which
ticket.
MVV - Innen- Raum Ticket Syndrome
Those prior possessing MVV Innen- Raum tickets are often a
source of confusion: they tend to give no firm loud simple
Yes or No to the vital question "Will you join our group
ticket ?", & to delay, wandering round asking how many on
which ticket. Innen- Raum Ticket holders should turn up
first, (especially if train departs soon after meeting time),
for they need maximum time to organise themselves, & Not
spread confusion "Did they [finally] commit to our ticket
? Are we free to sell seat to someone else to reduce costs
?"
BOB Group Tickets - 6 not a good number - better more or less
At July 2009
- A group ticket for up to 5 people Schliersee > Tegernesee > Muenchen --> costs 21 Euro.
- A single person day ticket costs 14 Euro.
- 5 People: 4.2 Euro
- 6 People: 5.83 Euro
- 7 People: 6 Euro : 2 Group tickets. Advantageous if group splits on mountain, or in bar after before trains to Munich, or on after by MVV. Leaders can consider spreading tickets before hike starts (not to those who may rush ahead).
- 8 People: 5.25 Euro.
Tobacco Smoke Avoidance
Nearly all walkers are non smokers, If you are a smoker
Please either don't smoke on the walk, or stay at the back
& down wind & Please ensure your smoke does Not
blow on all the rest who are out for some Clean Air !
Please also do Not take your last drag before jumping on a
train then exhaling death breath ;-)
A German speaking group Nicht Raucher Initiative Muenchen Also does mountain walks
- Use their search engine
- There's some mountain walks listed in their 01/2009 programme (inc a picture of them on a peak in snow).
- see the centre pull out of their by subscription paper newsletter,
- Contact: Guenther K. 3171212
Equipment: Spikes, Grodeln
Maps
- Bunch of map servers listed here.
- Some distances & speeds are given above as it may help some newcomers know what sort of speeds we sometimes go at. Though of course conditions, leaders & groups vary.
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